From matt at matthewmoore.org.uk  Wed Feb  1 09:41:16 2012
From: matt at matthewmoore.org.uk (Matthew Moore)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:41:16 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Cardiff Feb 1st Meetup moves to attend "unified.diff"
In-Reply-To: <CAKAnEVthxMqRHvnSd_wRmWt0X=JqpZtj7K55awfns8W1jd_krw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKAnEVthxMqRHvnSd_wRmWt0X=JqpZtj7K55awfns8W1jd_krw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24bfe7c2822589a634ea3f12b0318c09@localhost>

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:49:36 +0000, Matt Willsher <matt at monki.org.uk>
wrote:
> (From
> http://swlug.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=152&Itemid=2)
> 
> The Wed 1st Feb meetup will relocate around the corner to join the
> inaugural meeting of unified.diff (software engineers forum).
> The Wednesday 1st Feb 2012 meetup in Cardiff will, for this month,
> relocate around the corner (to old O'Neill's) to join the inaugural
> meeting of our local software engineering community - unified.diff.
> 
>  For more info on unified.diff, see @unifieddiff  on Twitter or visit
> their website at http://unifieddiff.co.uk/

Just to remind everyone that this is today.  I think there's going to be a
decent amount of people coming.  There's three of us from Bridgend, plus a
few others from Cardiff who are all going along.

If you're planning on coming along and don't know any of us, please drop
me an email and I'll give you my mobile number, so you can find us easily.

See you all later on.

Cheers,

Matt


From michael at beatrixnet.co.uk  Wed Feb  1 17:50:45 2012
From: michael at beatrixnet.co.uk (Michael)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:50:45 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Cardiff Feb 1st Meetup moves to attend "unified.diff"
In-Reply-To: <24bfe7c2822589a634ea3f12b0318c09@localhost>
References: <CAKAnEVthxMqRHvnSd_wRmWt0X=JqpZtj7K55awfns8W1jd_krw@mail.gmail.com>
	<24bfe7c2822589a634ea3f12b0318c09@localhost>
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I'm also planning on being there tonight.

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From matt at matthewmoore.org.uk  Wed Feb  1 17:53:25 2012
From: matt at matthewmoore.org.uk (Matthew Moore)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:53:25 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Getting rid of more stuff
Message-ID: <1727163.XV1UeyjyVx@edward>

I'm moving house, so I'm having a further clear-out of stuff.  Sorry to clog 
the list up further.  But at least some of it is free!

The following is free (mainly cause I can't be arsed to ebay it as it
probably won't sell):

1 stick of PC133 RAM (no idea the size etc)
PCI Network card (D-Link)
PCI 56k modem (two of them)
ATI Rage Pro Turbo (AGP)
Nvidia NVTNT2MA 32mb (AGP)
15" TFT monitor, it's ancient and doesn't have a power supply, does work tho, 
you just need to buy a power supply for it. 

SAMS Apache 2 in 24 Hours
Running Linux (the O'Reilly book) 3rd ed (1999) but if you're new to linux, 
most of the stuff is still useful

The network and modem cards do have proper transistors and capacitors on them, 
so could probably be salvaged for parts if you're so inclined.  I really don't 
want to post anything, so pick up only.

Stuff for sale (pick up in Bridgend only)

19" TFT Monitor - ?20, works fine
Antec P180 (Black, ATX, Tower) - ?20
Silverstone Lascala 17 Case (Black, ATX, Media center case) - ?20 (would make 
a great media center case)

Lots more stuff on ebay:

http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/squid_cxv

(which I will post)

Cheers,

Matt


From steve at nexusuk.org  Wed Feb  1 17:56:15 2012
From: steve at nexusuk.org (Steve Hill)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:56:15 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Getting rid of more stuff
In-Reply-To: <1727163.XV1UeyjyVx@edward>
References: <1727163.XV1UeyjyVx@edward>
Message-ID: <4F297CBF.5030708@nexusuk.org>

On 01/02/12 17:53, Matthew Moore wrote:

> 15" TFT monitor, it's ancient and doesn't have a power supply, does work tho,
> you just need to buy a power supply for it.

Any idea what resolution?

-- 

  - Steve

From phil at trigpoint.me.uk  Wed Feb  8 21:17:20 2012
From: phil at trigpoint.me.uk (Philip Barnes)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:17:20 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Openstreetmap, relicensing and remapping
Message-ID: <1328735840.2076.41.camel@marvin>

Sorry if this is a little off-topic but I know that there are
openstreetmap contributors around, both current and maybe lapsed, or may
know lapsed contributors.

For various legal reasons, that I do not pretend to understand, anybody
who crontributes to, or has contributed in the past, needs to accept new
licensing terms. Details of the changes are found in the OpenStreetMap
wiki at
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License

If the terms are not accepted on April 1st any ways added by a
contributor who has not accepted will be deleted, or if they have merely
edited a way created by someone else it will return to its earlier
state.

I find this site the most useful to find the ways that will disappear,
http://cleanmap.poole.ch/#

So if you are an ex-contributor, or know someone who is undecided,
please either accept the new conditions, or if you disagree with them
decine as this will give us a better clue as to what work is to be done.

Otherwise, if you can help with re-mapping then it would be appreciated.

If you have any queries, then contact me either on the list, or directly
and I will try to help. 

Phil




From gerald.davies at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 22:01:41 2012
From: gerald.davies at gmail.com (Gerald Davies)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:01:41 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Like Freddie Kruger, I'm back...
Message-ID: <CAEZ5awES6rhxJg32QqPe+BP19+v0wdAXfVxBh5mbrY8v-5-K1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm back on-list, so-to-speak.  Apologies for my strop and departure
about the importance of education in the past - I work in
academia/research usually, so it's close to my heart.

That's in the past.  Hope everyone is well and happy :-)

Cheers,

Gerald

From sam at samradion.co.uk  Wed Feb  8 23:02:14 2012
From: sam at samradion.co.uk (Sam Radion)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:02:14 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Openstreetmap, relicensing and remapping
In-Reply-To: <1328735840.2076.41.camel@marvin>
References: <1328735840.2076.41.camel@marvin>
Message-ID: <CAM79d6pS224HwXySM6D54AGBonKAxeLz9G5OT2NPPOTdLPEdHA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:

> Sorry if this is a little off-topic but I know that there are
> openstreetmap contributors around, both current and maybe lapsed, or may
> know lapsed contributors.
>
> For various legal reasons, that I do not pretend to understand,
>

Is this to do with the google related defacement?
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From chriscf at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 01:13:40 2012
From: chriscf at gmail.com (Chris Jackson)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 01:13:40 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Openstreetmap, relicensing and remapping
In-Reply-To: <CAM79d6pS224HwXySM6D54AGBonKAxeLz9G5OT2NPPOTdLPEdHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1328735840.2076.41.camel@marvin>
	<CAM79d6pS224HwXySM6D54AGBonKAxeLz9G5OT2NPPOTdLPEdHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHvgYr4ZLntGYrWEWN78bn9CAK-Aunrq1kFVJzTFJ3yyk4J2-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 8 February 2012 23:02, Sam Radion <sam at samradion.co.uk> wrote:
> Is this to do with the google related defacement?

No.  The short version is that seven years ago someone picked a
not-entirely-suitable licence.  We're about to hit the fifth
anniversary of someone noticing the not-entirely-suitability.

-- 
Chris Jackson

From steve at nexusuk.org  Thu Feb  9 10:04:31 2012
From: steve at nexusuk.org (Steve Hill)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:04:31 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Openstreetmap, relicensing and remapping
In-Reply-To: <1328735840.2076.41.camel@marvin>
References: <1328735840.2076.41.camel@marvin>
Message-ID: <4F339A2F.6000607@nexusuk.org>

On 08/02/12 21:17, Philip Barnes wrote:

> If the terms are not accepted on April 1st any ways added by a
> contributor who has not accepted will be deleted, or if they have merely
> edited a way created by someone else it will return to its earlier
> state.

I've been aware of this for some time, although not looked into the 
discussions in depth.  I'm somewhat confused as to how they are doing 
all this:

OSM have always held that using another map in any way (e.g. referring 
to copyrighted OS maps or Google Earth for hints) is not allowed as the 
resulting OSM data would be considered a derived work.  By extension, a 
lot of the ODbL licensed OSM data will have been created by referring or 
modifying existing CC-BY-SA licensed OSM data, so why do they not 
consider it a derived work (and therefore not relicensable)?

Also, has anyone figured out what proportion of the data will be lost as 
a result?

-- 

  - Steve

From dick.bain at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 14:46:04 2012
From: dick.bain at gmail.com (Dick Bain)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:46:04 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] mini projector
Message-ID: <CAAg3nA7C41hXO9qhOJyMjO+Xstg+Jt=wnKPKnLgBHVAEUcLheQ@mail.gmail.com>

At the last Carmarthen meet Dave showed us a mini projector but my feeble
brain forgot the details, I thought I'd ask on list because other people
might be interested; so Dave can you tell us the make and model?
cheers
Dick

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From gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org  Thu Feb 16 08:16:04 2012
From: gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org (gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:16:04 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Meeting/Cyfarfod << Caerfyrddin / Carmarthen >> this
	Tuesday / nos Fawrth yma
Message-ID: <E1RxwVY-00055i-AD@holy.sd.yadn.org>

---- ATGOFIAD

Bydd y cyfarfod nesa SWLUG yng Nghaerfyrddin
yn dechrau tua 7yh nos Fawrth (21/Chwefror/2012)

Cadwch lygad ar y wefan - http://swlug.org - ar gyfer manylion/newyddion
(neu http://twitter.com/SWLUG).

=========================================================================

---- REMINDER

The next SWLUG meeting in Carmarthen
will be held on Tuesday (21/February/2012)
from around 7pm.

Please check the web site - http://swlug.org - for any details/updates
(or http://twitter.com/SWLUG).

=======================================================================
-- 
Diolch/thanks,
cron(8)

From gerald.davies at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 09:57:56 2012
From: gerald.davies at gmail.com (Gerald Davies)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:57:56 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Meeting/Cyfarfod << Caerfyrddin / Carmarthen >> this
 Tuesday / nos Fawrth yma
In-Reply-To: <E1RxwVY-00055i-AD@holy.sd.yadn.org>
References: <E1RxwVY-00055i-AD@holy.sd.yadn.org>
Message-ID: <CAEZ5awEX4zrE2RXMSESCUBeZyKF62dLoUMjUHXV=CChYCZ_ixw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:16,  <gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org> wrote:
>
> The next SWLUG meeting in Carmarthen
> will be held on Tuesday (21/February/2012)
> from around 7pm.
>

Okay, anyone going and/or fancy going from Cardiff?

From ilyan.thomas at virgin.net  Thu Feb 16 10:13:58 2012
From: ilyan.thomas at virgin.net (ilyan)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:13:58 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Meeting/Cyfarfod << Caerfyrddin / Carmarthen >> this
 Tuesday / nos Fawrth yma
In-Reply-To: <CAEZ5awEX4zrE2RXMSESCUBeZyKF62dLoUMjUHXV=CChYCZ_ixw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEZ5awEX4zrE2RXMSESCUBeZyKF62dLoUMjUHXV=CChYCZ_ixw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F3CD6E6.1010709@virgin.net>

I intend to be there.     Ilyan   01267 234451






On 16/02/2012 09:57, Gerald Davies wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:16,<gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org>  wrote:
>> The next SWLUG meeting in Carmarthen
>> will be held on Tuesday (21/February/2012)
>> from around 7pm.
>>
> Okay, anyone going and/or fancy going from Cardiff?
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Feb 20 14:05:05 2012
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:05:05 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Facebook page
Message-ID: <1329746705.16836.9.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

In a spurious burst of randomness, i have decided it's about time we
added a Facebook page for SWLUG.

This page isn't intended to replace any existing services, it's just a
way to try and spread word of our existance, and to give me a place to
more easily say if i am attending a meeting or not :)

http://www.facebook.com/swlug


Any suggestions on helpful things to add to that page, or anyone that
wants perms to contribute just let me know.



From dave at cridland.net  Tue Feb 21 16:55:59 2012
From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:59 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] mini projector
In-Reply-To: <CAAg3nA7C41hXO9qhOJyMjO+Xstg+Jt=wnKPKnLgBHVAEUcLheQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAg3nA7C41hXO9qhOJyMjO+Xstg+Jt=wnKPKnLgBHVAEUcLheQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16456.1329843359.433421@puncture>

On Mon Feb 13 14:46:04 2012, Dick Bain wrote:
> At the last Carmarthen meet Dave showed us a mini projector but my  
> feeble
> brain forgot the details, I thought I'd ask on list because other  
> people
> might be interested; so Dave can you tell us the make and model?

Since I'm well known as a master of the snappy response, it's an Acer  
C20. Cheapest price I found was from Misco.

I'll bring it along tonight, if anyone else is coming.

Dave.
-- 
Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net
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  - http://dave.cridland.net/
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From dave at cridland.net  Tue Feb 21 16:57:02 2012
From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:57:02 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Meeting/Cyfarfod << Caerfyrddin / Carmarthen >> this
 Tuesday / nos Fawrth yma
In-Reply-To: <E1RxwVY-00055i-AD@holy.sd.yadn.org>
References: <E1RxwVY-00055i-AD@holy.sd.yadn.org>
Message-ID: <16456.1329843422.506424@puncture>

On Thu Feb 16 08:16:04 2012, gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org wrote:
> The next SWLUG meeting in Carmarthen
> will be held on Tuesday (21/February/2012)
> from around 7pm.

I'm coming.

Probably with The Bag Of Toys.

Anyone else?

Dave.
-- 
Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net
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  - http://dave.cridland.net/
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From dick.bain at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 16:58:46 2012
From: dick.bain at gmail.com (Dick Bain)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:58:46 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] mini projector
In-Reply-To: <16456.1329843359.433421@puncture>
References: <CAAg3nA7C41hXO9qhOJyMjO+Xstg+Jt=wnKPKnLgBHVAEUcLheQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<16456.1329843359.433421@puncture>
Message-ID: <CAAg3nA42+3qWrS-LvQoxChmN5dtMqW2zwUJVaMJHR4pmFxmrdQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think Justin is coming, at least he said so on Facebook yesterday
Dick

On 21 February 2012 16:55, Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net> wrote:

> On Mon Feb 13 14:46:04 2012, Dick Bain wrote:
>
>> At the last Carmarthen meet Dave showed us a mini projector but my feeble
>> brain forgot the details, I thought I'd ask on list because other people
>> might be interested; so Dave can you tell us the make and model?
>>
>
> Since I'm well known as a master of the snappy response, it's an Acer C20.
> Cheapest price I found was from Misco.
>
> I'll bring it along tonight, if anyone else is coming.
>
> Dave.
> --
> Dave Cridland - mailto:dave at cridland.net - xmpp:dwd at dave.cridland.net
>  - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/**byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/<http://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/>
>  - http://dave.cridland.net/
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>



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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Tue Feb 21 17:04:10 2012
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:04:10 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] mini projector
In-Reply-To: <16456.1329843359.433421@puncture>
References: <CAAg3nA7C41hXO9qhOJyMjO+Xstg+Jt=wnKPKnLgBHVAEUcLheQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<16456.1329843359.433421@puncture>
Message-ID: <1329843850.7500.0.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 16:55 +0000, Dave Cridland wrote:
> On Mon Feb 13 14:46:04 2012, Dick Bain wrote:
> > At the last Carmarthen meet Dave showed us a mini projector but my  
> > feeble
> > brain forgot the details, I thought I'd ask on list because other  
> > people
> > might be interested; so Dave can you tell us the make and model?
> 
> Since I'm well known as a master of the snappy response, it's an Acer  
> C20. Cheapest price I found was from Misco.
> 
> I'll bring it along tonight, if anyone else is coming.
> 
> Dave.

I will be there, although a little late, probably around 8pm.



From dave at cridland.net  Tue Feb 21 17:07:22 2012
From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:07:22 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] mini projector
In-Reply-To: <CAAg3nA42+3qWrS-LvQoxChmN5dtMqW2zwUJVaMJHR4pmFxmrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAg3nA7C41hXO9qhOJyMjO+Xstg+Jt=wnKPKnLgBHVAEUcLheQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<16456.1329843359.433421@puncture>
	<CAAg3nA42+3qWrS-LvQoxChmN5dtMqW2zwUJVaMJHR4pmFxmrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16456.1329844042.666447@puncture>

On Tue Feb 21 16:58:46 2012, Dick Bain wrote:
> I think Justin is coming, at least he said so on Facebook yesterday

*Facebook*?!?

Dave.
-- 
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From danielm at iee.org  Tue Feb 21 17:21:00 2012
From: danielm at iee.org (Daniel Morris)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:21:00 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Meeting/Cyfarfod << Caerfyrddin / Carmarthen >> this
 Tuesday / nos Fawrth yma
In-Reply-To: <16456.1329843422.506424@puncture>
References: <E1RxwVY-00055i-AD@holy.sd.yadn.org>
	<16456.1329843422.506424@puncture>
Message-ID: <20120221172059.GA7513@chunk>

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 04:57:02PM +0000, Dave Cridland wrote:
> On Thu Feb 16 08:16:04 2012, gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org wrote:
> > The next SWLUG meeting in Carmarthen
> > will be held on Tuesday (21/February/2012)
> > from around 7pm.
> 
> I'm coming.
> 
> Probably with The Bag Of Toys.
> 
> Anyone else?

Me, but a lack of real hardware in local PCWorld means no toys this
month.

 Daniel

From dave at cridland.net  Tue Feb 21 18:32:05 2012
From: dave at cridland.net (Dave Cridland)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:32:05 +0000
Subject: [SWLUG] Meeting/Cyfarfod << Caerfyrddin / Carmarthen >> this
 Tuesday / nos Fawrth yma
Message-ID: <qcitl73h5d6dillme2jy8r8d.1329849125205@email.android.com>

I'm here. Or there ,whichever.
-- 
(Not at my desk)

Daniel Morris <danielm at iee.org> wrote:

>On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 04:57:02PM +0000, Dave Cridland wrote:
>> On Thu Feb 16 08:16:04 2012, gedge-lists-swlug at yadn.org wrote:
>> > The next SWLUG meeting in Carmarthen
>> > will be held on Tuesday (21/February/2012)
>> > from around 7pm.
>> 
>> I'm coming.
>> 
>> Probably with The Bag Of Toys.
>> 
>> Anyone else?
>
>Me, but a lack of real hardware in local PCWorld means no toys this
>month.
>
> Daniel
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